Curse

Clone · Jul 04, 2008, 12:28 PM // 12:28

Anet has a bad habit of paying too much attention to the complainers, changing something, and pissing off even more people due to the change.

If you nerf it, you'll have just as many people pissed about its absence as the crybabies who complain about it now. I'd say, learn to deal with it and let it be.

yarddog · Jul 04, 2008, 01:09 PM // 13:09

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Originally Posted by Sir Owns Alot EP

I hate the Ursan will be nerfed and if your not a Warrrior, Elementalist, or Monk, finding a group will be extremeley difficult. Sure there are "Paraway" or "Ritway" groups for elite areas, but honestly, how often do you see those forming compared to "GLF 2 TANKS, MONKS, NUKERS!" Ursan leveled the playing field for everyone. It sure made this game a lot more fun for me, not because I'm a "noob" but because I was able to do far more in the game than I was able to before. Class discrimination saw to that, and I know a large some of players feel the way I do. Ursan maybe "overpowered", but it has made GW more accessible.

our alliance runs weekly elite area only groups with NO ursan and we , as a rule, never discriminate , any class is welcome, maybe u need to find a group like that. ursan is not a binding agent in GW for the pug, it has literally ruined the thoughtful gameplay where a good skill bar is a life saver, not some bear on steroids.

Abedeus · Jul 04, 2008, 01:25 PM // 13:25

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Class discrimination saw to that, and I know a large some of players feel the way I do. Ursan maybe "overpowered", but it has made GW more accessible.

Yes, I'm a mesmer. Yes, no class discrimination any more. Yes, there is a RANK DISCRIMINATION. How about that? Morons that have time to grind r10 norn instead of learning how to play get further and easier than I do, working my ass off trying to improve myself and my builds.

wyrd · Jul 04, 2008, 01:59 PM // 13:59

I like playing with the standard classes and skills but also like Ursan as is.

Ursan is fun.

If you dont like a skill dont use it let the others that like it have fun they paid for the game too.

No Nerf

Navaros · Jul 04, 2008, 01:59 PM // 13:59

As I said in the first thread about this subject yesterday regarding Regina's comments, that got closed:

Ursan already got nerfed.

Nerfing it again would be ludicrous. That would just bring back class discrimination where all non-core classes have zero chance of ever getting into a party for DoA, Urgoz, the Deep etc. etc.

BlackSephir · Jul 04, 2008, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by Navaros

As I said in the first thread about this subject yesterday regarding Regina's comments, that got closed:

Ursan already got nerfed.

Nerfing it again would be ludicrous. That would just bring back class discrimination where all non-core classes have zero chance of ever getting into a party for DoA, Urgoz, the Deep etc. etc.

And that would be worse than rank discrimination that doesn't allow people with <r8 to join... how?

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Ursan already got nerfed.

Is there a rule that a skill can only be nerfed X times? Check how many times has Shadow Prison been nerfed and stop this nonsense

Navaros · Jul 04, 2008, 02:13 PM // 14:13

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

And that would be worse than rank discrimination that doesn't allow people with <r8 to join... how?

Is there a rule that a skill can only be nerfed X times? Check how many times has Shadow Prison been nerfed and stop this nonsense

Because anyone from any class can easily get R10 Ursan and participate in Ursan parties; that recourse to make themselves welcome is easily in any player's hands. However, those who are playing a class that is never welcome to participate in any end-game areas have zero recourse to do anything about it to make themselves welcome.

The first nerf to Ursan was nonsense in and of itself; it wasn't required. Nerfing it again would be an ever further extreme of nonsense.

wyrd · Jul 04, 2008, 02:19 PM // 14:19

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And that would be worse than rank discrimination that doesn't allow people with <r8 to join... how?

Class discrimination is different in that "rank discrimination" compares to a character that hasnt progressed far enough in the game to gain the proper skills for the best build or to play it effectively and does not compliment the party.

Leave Ursan as is - If you dont like it dont use it. If you havent bought EOTN hence your dislike for Ursan buy it you might like it. Junundu is fun too...is that next QQ?

Gill Halendt · Jul 04, 2008, 02:19 PM // 14:19

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Yes, I'm a mesmer. Yes, no class discrimination any more. Yes, there is a RANK DISCRIMINATION. How about that? Morons that have time to grind r10 norn instead of learning how to play get further and easier than I do, working my ass off trying to improve myself and my builds.

Well, you don't have to play demented pve-only skills as much as you don't have to play along with morons.

Even if they get further than you, does this affect you and your game in any way? I don't think so, you'll keep on working your ass off to improve your builds even if the UB gets nerfed, right?

Now, what... Trouble shared is trouble halved? That's immature.

Pandora's box · Jul 04, 2008, 02:20 PM // 14:20

Take it easy folks, next year GW2 starts. The GW1 economy will colaps and no one will care anymore about Ursan and other power builds.

Unreal Havoc · Jul 04, 2008, 02:35 PM // 14:35

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Originally Posted by Navaros

Because anyone from any class can easily get R10 Ursan and participate in Ursan parties; that recourse to make themselves welcome is easily in any player's hands. However, those who are playing a class that is never welcome to participate in any end-game areas have zero recourse to do anything about it to make themselves welcome.

The first nerf to Ursan was nonsense in and of itself; it wasn't required. Nerfing it again would be an ever further extreme of nonsense.

It's not really hard to get to level 20 (regardless of campaign) and ascend in about a day Use scrolls, get to level 10, then hit the boxing tournament until you reach level 20 then go do acension in Factions or Prophecies). If you have half a brain you can build a level 20 character with the required skills in about 2 days max. So I don't see how proffession requirements for parties are a major issue really. If anything theyre quicker to fulfill than rank requirements, especially those for DoA which require not only a high Norn Rank but also a high Lightbringer rank too.

Angelina Collins · Jul 04, 2008, 02:44 PM // 14:44

let me give you some inside advice, if they decide to nerf ursans blessing, it will only show you how far they are willing to go to satify the minority of players who will be the only real ones buying GW2 when released, which will not be until late 2009 to early 2010.

The reasonong is two fold, first they want to determine the impact there decisions are having with the community over all, and second they want to see if the community of players that quit playing the game due to their decision, calm down and return back to the game.

This will give them insight on what they will be able to buff in GW 2 to sell more games, then once they reach projected sales nerf to satify the regular minority, thus the cycle continues.

Lastly Anet knows they need a very good first impression of GW2, their believe is that, if the beta blows people away they will forget about past transgressions and focus on their new product.

Clarissa F · Jul 04, 2008, 02:49 PM // 14:49

Hate to quote myself, but...

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Respectfully request mods merge/kill this before we get another fifty pages of QQ ursan baed/QQ ursan gud taking up bytes of forum memory.

I hate being right.

TwinRaven · Jul 04, 2008, 03:08 PM // 15:08

Ursan is the Methamphetamine of Guild Wars. Once you start, you can't stop and it makes you ugly and defensive if someone threatens to take it away from you, even when you know you're addicted and it isn't good for you. Next thing you know you'll be stripping utility poles of their copper ground wire just to get your Ursan fix...it's just ugly, people...time for an intervention.

Savio · Jul 04, 2008, 03:13 PM // 15:13

There was a reason the other thread was closed; Ursan has been covered ad nauseum and there's nothing new to talk about. Closed.